tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21449454.post7403878718182398114..comments2023-10-29T08:16:15.421-07:00Comments on s u l u s t u: The Lord's PrayerBarry Moses (Sulustu)http://www.blogger.com/profile/13591101718575766279noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21449454.post-39086997619341516822012-04-04T22:44:09.370-07:002012-04-04T22:44:09.370-07:00Hi Pepper,
I am unaware of any indigenous Salish...Hi Pepper, <br /><br />I am unaware of any indigenous Salish word for forgiveness. This has been the subject of a long search on my part, and I have found a few possible answers. However, I suspect that most of the responses are creations of the Catholic missionaries and not indigenous or pre-Christian.<br /><br />There are words however for taking pity on someone or having compassion on someone. I suspect those may have been used prior to the Catholic notion of forgiveness.Barry Moses (Sulustu)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13591101718575766279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21449454.post-81825724312585421082012-04-04T20:39:12.968-07:002012-04-04T20:39:12.968-07:00Barry, I enjoy your blog. Do you know of a compara...Barry, I enjoy your blog. Do you know of a comparable word in Salish for 'forgive'?<br /><br />Thanks,<br />Pepperdngshawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04705342869136549316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21449454.post-39747966115193156822012-04-04T20:37:49.944-07:002012-04-04T20:37:49.944-07:00Barry, I enjoy your blog. Do you know of a compara...Barry, I enjoy your blog. Do you know of a comparable word in Salish for 'forgive'?<br /><br />Thanks,<br />Pepperdngshawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04705342869136549316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21449454.post-56848507059489566012009-11-21T21:36:25.711-08:002009-11-21T21:36:25.711-08:00Hi! Would you have these prayers in Salish? Sign...Hi! Would you have these prayers in Salish? Sign of the Cross, Hail Mary, Glory Be to the Father, Apostles' Creed. I need them for a collection in different languages of the world. Thank you! DANTE FERRY, Manila, Philippines, danteferry@gmail.comDante Ferryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11961445455695629979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21449454.post-52179638447742554302009-09-16T16:06:45.531-07:002009-09-16T16:06:45.531-07:00Matthew, this is an interesting response. Of cours...Matthew, this is an interesting response. Of course, your comments speak to the heart of the Catholic-Protestant debate. Which holds greater authority, the scriptures as revealed by God, or the apostolic succession? I won't pretend to resolve that question here, but I will thank you for adding this insight to how the Catholic fathers would have approached my Salish ancestors. Catholicism is still so closely intertwined with our culture, that these questions are still quite relavent.Barry Moses (Sulustu)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13591101718575766279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21449454.post-30541126814195963732009-09-16T08:34:23.419-07:002009-09-16T08:34:23.419-07:00Your post touches on a couple of things regarding ...Your post touches on a couple of things regarding culture, language and meaning. I would like to share these thoughts with you:<br /><br />Language and meaning is influenced by what one believes. English didn't always have the word "sin" in its vocabulary, nor did it have "transubstatiation", nor "king" or "kingdom". They came in as a result of Roman Empire effectively missionizing the pagan peoples of Europe. Europe was also organized into tribes and tribal chiefs, and yet over time, understood the Catholic faith as transmitted by the missionaries and those countries became Catholic nations.<br /><br />Your question of Bible literalism is a question foreign to the Catholic worldview in which the missionizing to the Salish speaking peoples took place.<br /><br />The Catholic starting place is not "the Bible", but "the church", <br />In the Catholic view, Jesus established an official church, passed his teachings to the apostles, and then to the bishops in an unbroken succession. The church was given the mission to spread the faith in its fullness, and thus, through councils, determined which books were holy, which were not, and compiled the Bible. Thus Catholics feel that their church is the only church that has the authority to interpret the Bible correctly.<br /><br />Catholics aren't the only ones with this notion of oral traditions and living authority. Orthodox Jews, and the Orthodox Christians also believe in this notion.<br /><br />In high school English class, we had to give our interpretations of stories and poems that we read in class. Each person had their own unique interpretation. The author of the work was not around to say what he or she meant, so we were left to our own thoughts.<br /><br />Protestants gave the Bible the "English class" treatment, and so today there are hundreds of thousands of protestant religions, each claiming divine inspiration.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com